corruptionfrom already repaid mortgages to laundry bills. They made some noise but Tories also have a lot of dirty linen being washed in public.
The amounts involved are not huge but it is the trend that is disturbing.
I am bemused when I compare this unravelling with the Indian scene. Difference seems only of degree, not kind.There huge amounts are involved, more often than not, the guilty get away with minor punishments, if at all caught, and that too after years of litigation.The sheer brazenness, callousness of Indian political class and bureaucrats from top civil servants, militray brass to traffic police can only be compared with the worst kleptocratic despots in Africa, and may be S E Asia like The Philippines or Indonesia.By some estimates some 20 per cent of the candidates in the on-going parliamentary elections have criminal records from mafia activities to murder.
What is interesting is this - in both places the media play the holier-than-thou role in exposing the scandals.But here in Britain it all has a ring of the theatre of the absurd. Media themselves are no white lilies [neither in India].And the common citizen here may at best sigh in the pub over a pint of lager.There is no public outcry, no demonstrations, no taking to street unlike in India.There, not that it makes an iota of difference but at least people protest.
I see both as going through motions - here the media has to create sound-bites, there some groups have to come to streets all the time. Both seem essentially resigned to corrupt politicians.
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This is because we live in an imperfect world with imperfect people including myself! I often try to set my sights on spiritual things. This does not mean I turn my back on the needy and condone wrong.
I must confess that in terms of a fellow human being i warm to Gordon Brown and feel that he is genuine man with decent standards. In a family there are good and bad children and I hope and pray that he will be given enough support to deal with it.
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Mr Brown is a good person and his wife is a dear soul and folk need to value and give appraisal to the genuine and not the artificial.
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You ain't so bad your self.
I see a resemblace of H.R. Giger as well as R.S Connett
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I repeat professor ckp, the ROOT cause of our Local, Regional, and Global mess or orchestrated and if i may respectfully add perpetually orchestrated mess/conflicts/conflagrations/chaos/wars is of SPIRITUAL in nature!
You are highly capable and more than qualified to understand and fully comprehend what I have explained (to the best of my limited ability) in this particular comment and in my post/comment with regards MARXISM [link] (I suggest that you read it again and do some real solid research on your own and if you have any more questions I'll be here to answer and clarify them to the best of my limited abilities
You are a rational and highly learned and logical man but I will understand if you have or will fail to understand to see it from a UNIVERSAL and SPIRITUAL point of view with it's palpable and tangible physical and MORAL CONSEQUENCES!
well you asked for 'my' understanding of marxism, that too in a nutshell!To me, poverty, or rather alleviation of it and exploitation of man by man, is marxism, whatever scriptures [of marxism] say.
I'll go through your points later but basically I am not interested in esoteric, barren and sterile discussions of theory and ideology. Where I come from, people starve to death due to man-made crises while
bankers make millions,
America slaughters innocent all over the world with its military arrogance and belief in God and capitalism
and academics discuss threadbare finer nuances of this -ism and that.
To people's misery , no religion has any answer.Neither marxism as practised but at least it showed a way out.
I am afarid but it seems like Wittgensteinian position - we are talking in incompatible frames of reference.
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Like it or NOT the world has been Marxised already!
We already live in a Marxist Society but no one wants or rather no one dares or no one is ready to OFFICIALLY call or label it as such! How do you like them apples, oranges, and bananas?!?
In that clarion note, dear professor CKP. allow me to post what you have written on my poem "A Battle Cry For Romania"
ckp wrote: "Poverty is man-made, NOT god-given. It has to be challenged by the poor by reversing the power structure in a society.That is consciousness and it is based on material conditions.
That is marxism.."
NonConformist90 explained: "I believe I was asking for the ideology and philosophy of Marxism... the core philosophy... poverty has got nothing to do with it nor wealth!
I repeat Marxism has NOTHING to do with being poor or rich or healthy or sick nor strong or weak!
Brace yourself professor.... MARXISM is none other than rank or sheer or pure MATERIALISM! Ergo, the core belief and philosophy or the heart of MARXISM is pure MATERIALISM!
Marxism does NOT believe in the supernatural world it's pure naturalism... whether its proponents believe it or NOT is highly irrelevant! It (Marxism) aids and fuels atheism and anarchy!
It (Marxism) leads to or gives birth perpetually to a vicious cycle of ordered chaos -- perpetually orchestrated war and turmoil be it locally regionally or globally! A NEVER ENDING REVOLUTION! That have turned into countless BLOODY REVOLUTIONS!!! And if NOT a bloody one --- it has lulled or numbed or deadened the conscience of most if NOT all citizens of the world!
So, sorry to burst your bubble but your cliche/motto/maxim/slogan is only applicable in certain areas of life --- BUT to be discontented "ALWAYS" is NOT healthy at all! There is no inner and deep and lasting or enduring peace in that at all!
You may stop talking to me as I will tell you that your motto "discontent always" is so vague --- that if taken literally by any vulnerable and unlearned and highly impressionable soul might take it to heart and apply it literally meaning apply it in all areas/ aspects of his/her life... if you will say -- "I only mean to say that I do not like mediocrity" then, I believe you need to say that explicitly! You need to state that categorically!
In a way -- in a very subtle way, your way of thinking has been Marxised already without you being acutely aware of it! Think about it? Real HARD! Real deeply and thoroughly! Do NOT leave a stone nor a grain of sand unturned! SEARCH deep! DIG DEEP! DEEPER!
Now, back on topic...
If the world (world meaning it's citizens -- human beings be they poor or rich healthy or sick weak or strong) rejects the existence of God or a Supreme Being then, it replaces it with something else! The world -- and to be more precise, the citizens of the world will be impossible to leave them in a VACUUM! I repeat it's impossible! Why? Because Man is a rational being made up of body and soul... man has spiritual and material needs that must be met and satisfied!!! C'mon! Do the Math!
If man chose deliberately to reject his spiritual needs or --- worst FOOLISHLY tried all in his human capacity to feed and satisfy his SPIRITUAL NEEDS with all means using PURELY MATERIAL RESOURCES --- result -- what will be the result??? C'mon, professor CKP... wake up! Wake up! WAKE UP! WAKE UP and smell the coffee and ROSES with its THORNS!
Hate to break the news to you again... man or a human being is made up of body and soul! Whether a rational/logical/intelligent human being chose to believe it or not (meaning whether he chose to believe that he has an immortal soul) is highly relevant this time when one wants to SERIOUSLY and responsibly and fully or completely(NOT just partially) but REALLY understand the heart/core belief of MARXISM!
Going back to man being made up of body and soul is rational and has a freewill/moral choice or moral freedom therefore, if one has freedom then, one's decision has consequences!
You are a highly rational and intelligent person... you connect the dots! You are more than qualified to connect the dots!
The only hindrance or difficulty I can foresee that you are sure to face or encounter is that you are a non-believer meaning you do NOT believe in God or god/s -- I've got news for you yet again... news flash! You have made science and reason/LOGIC your own god! Whether you are aware of that fact or NOT is irrelevant!
This teenage lady's meaning -- my explanation of the core belief of MARXISM as a firm believer of the Roman Catholic(UNIVERSAL)Church people of your stature and intelligence who do NOT believe in God or a god/s aka atheists will naturally reject or resist my explanation!
And perhaps at the end of the day you will be able to really figure it out for good... meaning you will see our whole global mess or global scenario from an eagle's point of view --- meaning looking at our global mess from up looking down!
Aha! dear professor ckp, that is right! This teenage lady has just issued you a real manly challenge!
The question is will you search and research Eternal Truth or NOT and the most important --- the multi-trillion dollar question is once you have found and are convinced by Eternal Truth --- the next important and painful question is this- are you ready?????
"What are you going to do about it!"
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Are you FULLY aware that Communism and Capitalism are not an ideology per se they are an economic system each a form of an economic system!
Next question what is the ideology that those economic system have espoused? Or what is the ideology that gave rise to those two forms of economic systems?
Are ready for the answer? you got it! It's MARXISM!
I'll make it simple for you:
Former USSR and it's satellites and allies
Religion: MILITANT ATHEISM conducive to APATHY and BITTERNESS
Form of Government: Highly Centralized SOCIALISM
Form of Economy: Communism
The West (USA and her Allies):
Religion: PLURALISM conducive to indifferentism/APATHY and BITTERNESS
Form of Governement: Indirect DEMOCRACY/Republicanism/Parliamentary
Form of Economy: Capitalism
The all important multi- trillion or zillion dollar or pound question.... is this --- are you ready?
What is the ideology or the philosophy that these two forms of economic systems have slowly espoused since -- ah, let's say World War II?
I'll give you a hint: it's a 7 letter-word and starts with the letter "M" and ends with the letter "M" as well!
Oh, I understand the plight of your fellow countrymen in India my parents are first generation US immigrants from a third World Country as well...
I know understand how you feel but if hatred eats your soul... bitterness and hardening of heart follows if not immediately then, gradually... lethal for the soul! Toxic for the mind and heart! Just a friendly reminder... the choice and final decision is always yours! The beauty of freewill or the ability to choose is that moment when a soul have been fully convinced that his decision after thinking it over and pondering a soul can always change your mind and correct the mistake one has made!
If I have bruised your ego that is
Thanks in advance... nonconformist90 [link]
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